as you are all aware i am new to the board, this is my third topic post.
since i have come online and expressed some concerns regarding docturnal issues, i have been pm'd by several active jw's on the board pretending to have concerns also but then sending pm's to "trust in the congregation and jevovah", "talk to the elders about your concerns" and "stick close to the congregation".
i would like to make this known loud and clear -
stop me from attending meetings by taking the car away so I walked to and from meeting with my 6 month old son, calling me horrible names and in the end started getting violent.
You have the right to separate from a violent spouse. That type personality will usually commit adultery within a short amount of time, therefore, scriptually freeing you. That is the offenders problem, not yours.
as you are all aware i am new to the board, this is my third topic post.
since i have come online and expressed some concerns regarding docturnal issues, i have been pm'd by several active jw's on the board pretending to have concerns also but then sending pm's to "trust in the congregation and jevovah", "talk to the elders about your concerns" and "stick close to the congregation".
i would like to make this known loud and clear -
She had to stay married to him or she would lose her priveldges in the congregation. Would Jehovah agree with that, or any kind person even consider that scriptural?
*** w88 5/15 p. 6 Divorce—What Does the Bible Really Say? ***From the foregoing, it is clear that the Bible does not say that all marriages are to remain permanent and no divorce is permissible for any reason at all. On the other hand, the Bible provides only one acceptable basis for divorce, namely, "the ground of fornication."
Rape IS fornication; therefore, she had grounds.
as you are all aware i am new to the board, this is my third topic post.
since i have come online and expressed some concerns regarding docturnal issues, i have been pm'd by several active jw's on the board pretending to have concerns also but then sending pm's to "trust in the congregation and jevovah", "talk to the elders about your concerns" and "stick close to the congregation".
i would like to make this known loud and clear -
*** it-1 pp. 862-863 Fornication ***
FORNICATION
Illicit sex relations outside of Scriptural marriage. The Hebrew verb za·nah´ and its related forms convey the idea of harlotry, immoral intercourse, fornication, or prostitution. (Ge 38:24; Ex 34:16; Ho 1:2; Le 19:29) The Greek word translated "fornication" is por·nei´a. Regarding the meanings of por·nei´a, B. F. Westcott in his book Saint Paul’s Epistle to the Ephesians (1906, p. 76) says: "This is a general term for all unlawful intercourse, (I) adultery: Hos. ii. 2, 4 (LXX.); Matt. v. 32; xix. 9; (2) unlawful marriage, I Cor. v. I; (3) fornication, the common sense as here [Eph 5:3]." Bauer’s Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament (revised by F. W. Gingrich and F. Danker, 1979, p. 693) defines por·nei´a as "prostitution, unchastity, fornication, of every kind of unlawful sexual intercourse." Porneia is understood to involve the grossly immoral use of the genital organ(s) of at least one human; also there must have been two or more parties (including another consenting human or a beast), whether of the same sex or the opposite sex. (Jude 7) The unlawful act of a rapist is fornication, but, of course, that does not make the person who is forcibly raped also a fornicator.
as you are all aware i am new to the board, this is my third topic post.
since i have come online and expressed some concerns regarding docturnal issues, i have been pm'd by several active jw's on the board pretending to have concerns also but then sending pm's to "trust in the congregation and jevovah", "talk to the elders about your concerns" and "stick close to the congregation".
i would like to make this known loud and clear -
When I was raped, the brothers told me it was not fornication
I am so sorry for your experiences. If I may ask, when did this happen?
i am reposting the major part of another thread "need computer help" because i am really looking for advice a situation with my husband.
i need to know if i am crazy to be worried.
so here it is.... ok, since i seem to be getting responses from guys and there's no way anyone i know will see this,i will tell you the story.
His actions are leaving you uncomfortable and confused enough to post the story on a discussion board. Is that how you want to live?
You thought you had a close relationship before, but, it proved not to be so. Will you ever know how things are between you two? Or, will you constantly wonder...
i've been reading up on the constantine's involvement in the compilation of the bible at the council of nicaea.
as well as the ousting of arius because of his "controversial" beliefs.
it's been many years since i've read any watchtower literature...anyone know what the jw's believe / teach / preach regarding this subject.
Especially the whole deal with Arius....he had views that differed from the mainstream...such as that the trinity was bogus. So he was deemed a heretic and his works were destroyed. And nothing was included in the "bible" that supported his version. And what about all the other books that were voted out that didn't make the final cut. What did those say?
As I posted, you may enjoy the book I referenced.
i've been reading up on the constantine's involvement in the compilation of the bible at the council of nicaea.
as well as the ousting of arius because of his "controversial" beliefs.
it's been many years since i've read any watchtower literature...anyone know what the jw's believe / teach / preach regarding this subject.
In addition to your other research, you may want to read the book, "When Jesus Became God." I will include the Amazon link at the bottom. The writer ( a jewish man) was given amazing access to the Vatican's library...which is very guarded. The fight regarding the divinity of Jesus between the eastern and western portions of Christianity is what almost detroyed it. That is why the Catholic church so guards these documents...it could possibly happen again.
Regardless, I think you would enjoy this book.
i was sitting here thinking: am i making fun of my children's religion?
am i being disrespectful to witnesses?
i was raised to be accepting of other people's religious choices.
Actually, I disagree with #7. I will paraphrase a comment from an annointed sister (who BTW doesn't think the FDS has been appointed yet)...Jehovah's Witnesses...where the women have beards and the men don't!
how does a witness answer this?
if we are indeed living "deep into the time of the end", and if jehovah is going to speed things up, then why are the numbers of the organization getting lower with each passing year?
with the chart below showing their dwindling and embarassing figures, it's one of two things: either this organization does not have god's blessing, or the end must still be a long way off...........i've quoted a couple of captions from the literature......hmmm..... seems to me like they fit the description of babylon the great a little bit better than an organization that is being run by jesus christ.. *** .
Nope. I think it is more like Moses' day...when a vast mixed company made a snap decision right at the end and survived.
how does a witness answer this?
if we are indeed living "deep into the time of the end", and if jehovah is going to speed things up, then why are the numbers of the organization getting lower with each passing year?
with the chart below showing their dwindling and embarassing figures, it's one of two things: either this organization does not have god's blessing, or the end must still be a long way off...........i've quoted a couple of captions from the literature......hmmm..... seems to me like they fit the description of babylon the great a little bit better than an organization that is being run by jesus christ.. *** .
I am sure there are a large amount that will deny it is true...unflattering=apostate. However, MANY in both my congregation and surrounding congregations do not believe that way. We know its true.
Unfortunately, the WTBTS has consistently misapplied most of Isaiah. If you look at the whole chapter, it is evident this has not happened yet. v16...you will such the milk of nations, and the breast of kings you will suck. Hasn't happened yet and GOD, I hope this is symbolic! And on, and on. I know, they try to make it fit...oh well....it doesn't. Now, they are caught in their own logical conundrum.
You guys on this board have caught on to something however. There is a growing divide between what is printed and what the rank/file believe. It should prove very interesting.
